NPOCP?

"DipodomysDeserti" (dipodomysdeserti) 02/27/2020 at 11:13 • Filed to: None

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I’m voting NP.

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 11:18

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Newspaper? What year is this ???

Biggus Dickus (RevsBro) > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 11:19

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Too sane for NPOCP

Notchback88 > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 11:19

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CP on somebody elses project Land Cruiser.

Tentative NP on the Avalon based on interior and maintenance .

Jim Spanfeller > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 11:23

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This might be a stupid question, but what does “Ranger O.D., Old Man Emu susp.” mean? Did he overdose on Rangers, leading him to build this Toyota? Did he get an elderly gentleman’s emu to build the suspension for him? What does this mean?

Notchback88 > Jim Spanfeller 02/27/2020 at 11:25

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Apparently, it’s a brand.

https://arbusa.com/old-man-emu-4x4-suspension/

Jim Spanfeller > Notchback88 02/27/2020 at 11:26

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Huh. That’s a very odd name for a brand. Maybe they overdosed on Rangers as well.

HammerheadFistpunch > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 11:28

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NP...so long as its not crap...its hard to tell with 10 DPI printing.

HammerheadFistpunch > Jim Spanfeller 02/27/2020 at 11:28

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Ranger...not even once.

PartyPooper2012 > Notchback88 02/27/2020 at 11:28

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is it a project tho? Man just put new suspension on and knew what brand. I commend him for this.

Saying something like PepBoys neon blue aluminum shocks would earn negative points

UserNotFound > Jim Spanfeller 02/27/2020 at 11:29

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They’re Australian.

For Sweden > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 11:30

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Congress still using old technology and old media

hmmm

The Ghost of Oppo > Notchback88 02/27/2020 at 11:30

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KBB lists the Avalon max at $8,700 for my area

benjrblant > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 11:31

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Hard to say on the FJ60, really depends on the quality of work done with the swap and how long ago the swap was done. Might make emissions testing difficult if that’s a consideration for your area.

Personally, I’d pass on someone else’s swap/project. 350 swaps were super big a while ago, there are far better engine swap options available now.

Notchback88 > The Ghost of Oppo 02/27/2020 at 11:32

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Oof. I hadn’t bothered to look up comparable cars. 

Notchback88 > PartyPooper2012 02/27/2020 at 11:32

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Name brand suspension didn’t bother me.

Swapping in a SBC  that is now 50 years old....that gives me pause.

For Sweden > HammerheadFistpunch 02/27/2020 at 11:33

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unless

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 02/27/2020 at 11:33

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It’s how the boomers communicate. 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 11:34

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Land Cruiser with a SBC? Is that a thing, or is this just a random occurrence?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > HammerheadFistpunch 02/27/2020 at 11:35

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Is a 350/SBC in a Land Cruiser a thing, or is this a freak occurrence?

PartyPooper2012 > Notchback88 02/27/2020 at 11:36

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sometimes engines die... would you toss that car away if say your engine flooded or died of natural causes? 

MonkeePuzzle > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 11:38

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do you have a direct link to the car ad? I keep clicking and clicking on the picture but it’s not working

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Jim Spanfeller 02/27/2020 at 11:39

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Old Man Emu is a legit brand and actually makes solid off road suspension products/lift kits.

But yeah, goofy name.

Notchback88 > PartyPooper2012 02/27/2020 at 11:39

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Eh, maybe, maybe not.

Mind, I’m mostly experienced in the Fiero world; so other people’s swaps are always a gamble. You gotta really dig into the car to see if it was done right. Maybe it’s easier in other cars and I’mnbeing to harsh.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 11:39

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I’d say NP.

HammerheadFistpunch > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/27/2020 at 11:43

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its a common swap, especially the further back you go before people were more concerned about toyota purity of engine.  lots of 40/55/60 series were converted for more...ahem...some power.

adamftw > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/27/2020 at 11:43

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Pretty normal. The straight six that came in these is woefully under powered, and the manuals were non-OD until the FJ62s came out.

adamftw > Jim Spanfeller 02/27/2020 at 11:44

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The Ranger OD is VERY expensive. Real robust OD unit for trucks.

adamftw > HammerheadFistpunch 02/27/2020 at 11:45

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No way, the Ranger OD is a beastly overdrive setup.

adamftw > benjrblant 02/27/2020 at 11:46

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A healthy 350 is 100% perfect, and will be even more betterer with a simple TBI EFI kit thrown on top. No point in pulling it out for a LS at that point.

Notchback88 > For Sweden 02/27/2020 at 11:47

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I miss flying the TH-67 / OH-58A/C. Great little birds. There’s a simplicity and responsiveness to them that the Hawk and Apache don’t have.

That and practice autorotations to the ground!

benjrblant > adamftw 02/27/2020 at 11:48

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right, there’s nothing wrong with a 350, but if you were doing a swap today there are lots of better options.

also, i’m a big believer in not buying someone else’s project.

HammerheadFistpunch > adamftw 02/27/2020 at 11:53

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I honestly didn’t know about it. now I want one.  

Long_Voyager94 > Notchback88 02/27/2020 at 11:58

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Eh, that SBC will likely still be going strong in another 50 years.

adamftw > benjrblant 02/27/2020 at 12:00

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No doubt. And yea, most of the time its a bad idea, but sometimes you can get a great deal.

adamftw > HammerheadFistpunch 02/27/2020 at 12:00

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80 already has an OD, tho right?

DipodomysDeserti > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 02/27/2020 at 12:01

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I received an “ok boomer” from a student last week.

I am thirty-three years old...

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/27/2020 at 12:02

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A 350 swaps should be a thing for everything.

DipodomysDeserti > For Sweden 02/27/2020 at 12:04

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I didn’t even know people lived in Congress, AZ.

There is also a 458 for sale out of Scottsdale in the same paper.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 12:05

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Or LS swap... Either one.

HammerheadFistpunch > adamftw 02/27/2020 at 12:06

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yeah, but the ranger is a splitter before the 4 speed. Plus then manual.  I would love a 4 speed manual with hi/lo on every gear.

DipodomysDeserti > CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever 02/27/2020 at 12:07

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My brother is actually an editor for a print paper. My family owned a print shop for most of my life. I love explaining to students how printing works.

For Sweden > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 12:07

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They certainly don’t work there

Nothing > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 12:13

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I wouldn’t be able to register that here, for engine swaps in emissions vehicles, the engine has to be newer than the chassis. Looks nice from that pic, though.

DipodomysDeserti > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/27/2020 at 12:15

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I like the character of the 350. Preferably with a carburetor.

DipodomysDeserti > Notchback88 02/27/2020 at 12:17

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As someone who has two dissembled motorcycles and a non running ‘66 Chevy in the stable, I’m jealous of what you consider “projects”.

DipodomysDeserti > benjrblant 02/27/2020 at 12:21

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I’m full up on my Toyota quota for the year, and this is out of my price range anyways. However, based on what I was seeing with Toyota wagon prices, I’m guessing this has rust.

Notchback88 > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 12:21

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Well, if it’s any consolation, my 88 Fiero GT is in the air with suspension parts and bits strewn across the garage. And next is head gaskets and valve seals. 

DipodomysDeserti > Nothing 02/27/2020 at 12:22

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I think we have the same rule. However, o nly two counties require emissions here. That LC is located in one that does not.

Speed > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 12:28

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He’s got it listed online. I feel like I can get or build a lot of truck for $7,500 such as an equivalent Suburban, K10, Blazer, Bronco, ect. However, I really like old Cruisers and old small block Chevy’s for their simplicity, reliability, ridiculously cheap parts and their ubiquitousness. You could probably find parts for a SBC out on the trail somewhere under a rock or behind a bush. They’re everywhere. This is an awesome combination.

I’d consider EFI and updating to a roller set up on the 350, but the bones are there so that’s what’s important.

I wouldn’t personally pay $7,500, but if you could pick this truck up for $6,500 or a little, it’d be a really fun base for a #overlanddoitforthegramfam build. You’d have a really cool, unique rig on a budget.

Here’s the Hemmings listing.

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/toyota/fj60/2235979.html

Speed > MonkeePuzzle 02/27/2020 at 12:29

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https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/toyota/fj60/2235979.html

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 12:31

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Surprising the number of people living out in the desert.  Apparently happily.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/27/2020 at 12:32

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yeah, it’s a brand that people recognize, though.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > adamftw 02/27/2020 at 12:32

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Yeah, this is clear NP, if only for all the upgrades.

DipodomysDeserti > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 02/27/2020 at 12:34

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Once my kids are off to college, my wife and I will be living out in the desert. Just need to find some water.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > HammerheadFistpunch 02/27/2020 at 12:37

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Yeah, it would be charitable to call them even “lethargic”. People get all huffy on the motor swap thing, but oh, did the early 4 door trucks need more power. (My FJ40s got the original F in it and it’s OK, for puttering around since it’s geared so short.) But, NO WAY, is a stock 60/62 even remotely adequate for highway usage today.

I’ve got a 60 behind the shop that the PO threw a rod (how? have no idea) on and I’m trying to find a cost effective swap while keeping the manual and transfer case on it . I have a good 3FE sitting there, which will mate right up, but for the hassle? 150HP feels not quite enough.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > adamftw 02/27/2020 at 12:37

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Yeah, which you need given the gearing on a 60.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 12:39

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So now you know how it feels?

And, why isn’t (in this “woke” era) that considered “age-ism”?  Just curious.

DipodomysDeserti > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 02/27/2020 at 12:41

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This kid was too young to even know what a boomer was. I took the time to give a little history lesson, and let them know that my nonni, a boomer, was the greatest person on Earth.  

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 12:44

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Without saying “too much” about my current “Ultimate Mancave Obsession”, I’ll observe that Southern/SE Arizona are getting a LOT more rain these days. I thought it was nutty, but a rainwater-capture system is probably a far-more-reliable way to get far-cleaner potable and domestic water. Out there between Tucson and Sierra Vista (gorgeous!) a lot of people are using rainwater as primary supply— some places the ground water is just too deep or too laden with sulfites to be usable.

I’m shocked out how much rain they’ll get, seasonally, out there

Sand Filter and a R/O stage and next thing you know Robert’s Your Mom’s Brother.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 02/27/2020 at 12:48

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S ure is, goofy can be fine in a brand name. It can actually lead to really fun marketing if done right.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/27/2020 at 12:55

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Yeah, didn’t the Skull Candy guys punch out for a couple of billion?

Still hate the brand, but it worked...

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 02/27/2020 at 12:58

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I ’m sure they did. I too hate that brand, but I wasn’t their target market.

HammerheadFistpunch > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 02/27/2020 at 13:24

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it blows my mind they actually put that engine in the 80 behind the A442. I can’t even imagine. I mean, given that the wheel hp on the 1fz is only in the 130-140 hp range, what does that mean for an FJ80...90 wheel hp? yeesh.

There is only one way to kill an F...no oil.  My guess is that is exactly how the rod was thrown.

PartyPooper2012 > Notchback88 02/27/2020 at 13:30

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even if it wasn’t perfect, he isn’t asking 100K for his pepboys plastic boltons.

If it runs and drives, it might be ok. 

Nothing > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 13:33

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If I were to move across the county highway, so about 1/4 mile, I’d be emissions free, too.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > HammerheadFistpunch 02/27/2020 at 13:38

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The first LC , which got me hooked, was an early ‘91 with the 3FE. I put 100K miles on that truck and, somehow, loved it. Trouble free... but lousy gas mileage... and...

I always joked (and this is still true today) that I’d never owned a vehicle where I spent most of the time with my right foot firmly planted on the floor (trying to get it to move out of its own way...) or firmly planted on the brake pedal trying to get it to stop. Those brakes were horrific-bad.

EVERYTHING on that 3FE was overbuilt though — timing GEARS to run the cam, double belts to run the essentials, and a shockingly-low 8:1 compression ratio with over-sized bearings everywhere. So, yeah, keep oil in the damn thing and it will run forever at 12 MPG.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 14:05

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That’s just insulting. 

DipodomysDeserti > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 02/27/2020 at 14:23

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I stayed in a cabin north of Flagstaff last weekend that used rainwater capture for its water. Southern Arizona has had a few wet years, but a wet year now is still less than 14" of rain. We’ve always had seasonal monsoons and wettish winters, but our climate has been drying over the last thirty years. We’ve technically been in a drought over the last twenty-six years. They’re considering not calling it a drought anymore and just classifying it as the new norm.

One of the reasons they’re collecting rainwater is that you don’t need a permit for it (in some western states you don’t own rainwater that falls on your property), and most of the aquifers in Southern Arizona have been depleted.

Also, you don’t necessarily have the right to pump groundwater on your property in Arizona (and most western states) . There’s a whole mess of common law, statutes and court cases (going back 160 years) which creates a fairly complicated set of regulations. However, rainwater (for now) isn’t regulated. The feds are probably going to declare a drought on the Colorado/Lake Mead this year, so that could change in the future. However, if you can buy a piece of land with prior appropriation to water, you’re set.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 14:35

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The sites we looked at around Green Valley had a lot of rainwater systems— the alternative is “water haul” which seems wasteful, but that’s what they are down to I guess.

We ended up farther east, Sierra Vista-ish, and are still amazed at how green it can be.  The higher elevation helps... and it’s cooler in the summers.

DipodomysDeserti > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 02/27/2020 at 15:02

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When people think “desert” they usually picture a brown, dusty place. The Sonoran Desert is a jewel. Lots of color. Saguaros, yuccas, creosote and palo verdes don’t need much water to stay green. Looks like Green Valley is a bit wetter than Tucson. They average about 14" a year.

It looks like Green Valley and Sahuarita were actually depleting their groundwater. They lie within a special management area, which means you need permits to pump. That explains all the rainwater capture. Here’s a report from 2017. They commissioned the report in order to ask for CAP water to replenish their water table. It looks like it was granted.

https://www.usbr.gov/lc/phoenix/programs/GREENVALLEY/GVWSSPrelimAsmnt.pdf

Too much rainwater capture in that area could actually be a bad thing, as it could further reduce the amount of groundwater.

WasGTIthenGTOthenNOVAnowbacktoGTI > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 15:10

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Not bad for an Avalon. NP.

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > DipodomysDeserti 02/27/2020 at 15:18

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There’s also pollution from the Copper Mines’ tailings and processing. They don’t necessarily WANT the ground water, even if they could pump it...

They’ll be down to Water Haul if a ban on rainwater capture goes in.

My current fetish is Patagonia— Wow is it lovely out there. Drove through at sunset the other night. Magic.

DipodomysDeserti > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 02/27/2020 at 16:11

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Good ‘ol Freeport McMoran. Same company whose striking miners were being shot in South Africa.

I love Southern Arizona. They had a Jaguar living in the Santa Rita mountains a few years ago. The schools in Tucson voted to name him El Jefe.